[Playeraflan]

If you tell me to make a guide i cant/will not make a guide.Its not like your play style will match mine.For example
In dk i never use obliterate.Many uses it.Many doesn't like frost they love to play blood/Unholy
Same goes for other classes.Its up to you,How to spec your talents and how to use them in maximum way.
Who said you to play 10 classes Play one class.Try to become a pro then be Average in another.Professional With one class is enough.
Anyways that was bit much off topic.
Nice forum.Sorry but i joined eternal(realm) a few days ago.Don't know if i said anything wrong ...

[Whetherey]

Id like to make some changes to my earlier statements...

changes to UH DK
cap 130+spell pen= 4 gems n cloak ench
red gems= +20 strength
yellow gems= 10strenght/10 resilience

Rotatio=
Usually Chains of Ice
if slow not neeeded starts with IT
PS, SS, BS/BS or pestilence...

Glyphs:
Death Coil(dont remem name)
Pestilence
Ghoul
Horn of Winter
minor pestilence
raise dead

and use death coil whenever u get it, so u get some use of unholy blight.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathkn ... Not,,10433
This is the way I got my talents, but every1 has their own needs.

Frost one
Blue gems=10strength 15stamina(jst gem the ones u need, dont socket for crit)
yellow gems= 10strength/10resilience
red gems=20strength

glyphs:
frost strike
obliterate
pestilence
horn of winter
raise dead(death pact)
minor pestilence

rotatio:
COI if slow needed
1st. IT, PS, OBLI, BS/BS or pesti
2nd.OBLi, OBLI, Pesti, BS
then jst spam the 2nd rotatio all the time
HB when rime procs and when ever u have time use FS
The skill priority is:
1. Dots
2. Obli
3. FS
4. BS

tree of mine
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathkn ... I3eO,10433
again... its the way i like it and if u dont like it that way feel free to switch some talents as every1 has their own playstyle and need of talents

Paladin retri

theres no much to say
i gemd the same way as if i was a frost dk

rotatio is priority based
1. judgement
2. exorcism/flash of light (when art of war procd)
3. divine storm
4. crusader strike

glyphs
judgement
exorcism
seal of rightneous
dontremem minors atm
talents
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin ... WtP,,10433

i expect to get a whine if something was miswritten or sumtin
so feel free to whine so i get to edit my post if needed

pms r welcome 2

[D9T]

Nice guide:)

[darkstyle]

Good job on the guide i think this will help alot of players. Going to ask for it to be made into a sticky. Keep up the good work.

I agree with you,this is a lot of information and i will tell one BIg Good job at the poster:)

[DaSlayer]

Err... L&L with MM build, but no Improved Arcane shot??
I'd recommend to put points there..

[darkstyle]

mhmm very good job it will be very usefull:)

[Ziupek333]

mhmm very good job it will be very usefull:)

are you posting random shit on purpose ?

[Zorras]

This post was deleted by Zorras on Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:08 am.
Reason: Off topic

[SticKyGreeNzlNY]

Regrading the 2 Fire Mage builds, i disagree with some of the talent placements.

For the Fire/Arcane build(my most played/favorite spec)
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage#BL ... 9ORe,12213

Molten Shields 2/2-is a must in my mind. This talent is one of the few survivability talents we have as fire. WE MUST USE IT! helpful against so many classes i dont see why you wouldnt spec into this.....warlock/frost mages/frost DK/Warr's reflecting ur shit back 2 u....ele shams/surv. hunters. the list goes on.

Burning Soul 0/2- In my mind this spell is totally pointless for fire PvP, u only cast 2 spells. both are below 1.5 casts. enough said.

Flame Throwing 2/2- This is where the points he put into burning soul i would put into flame throwing. Its just so much more viable especially with the limited range of fire blast. Keeping people in range of Impact procs are key to controlling them. Impact procs all the time especially with molten armor on but i never use molten armor. Also living bombs from far range are always a plus.

Focus Magic 0/1 or 1/1-Depends if you doing arenas or BG's, if arenas and ur with a caster i would definitively, and do, spec into this talent. Crit is all that matters in fire spec.

World in Flames 0/3- This is a good talent but in my mind is not really worth it considering what else is out there. granted it gives nice crit to thous certain spells(pyro/LB mostly) but since it doesnt add crit to FB/Scorch it makes it a lot less useful, pyro crit wont help if u can get hot streak procs.

As Far as gemming goes CRIT>all... i used all proper gemming placements.
red-sp/crit
yellow-crit
blue-crit/Spell penn.

i also have 130 spell penn on this build.



The Fire/FFB Spec-- http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage#fl ... 9ORe,12213

This is really a BG only spec i use, my goal was hardest hitting FFB i can get with no survivability. I have a bunch of variations with this build depending what type of PvP im doing, so dont think this is the only way i rock this spec but this one is strictly for BG's and thats it.

Pretty much chill in the back of the group pumping out massively high numbers. And Failling back on DB/BW/Nova/CoC/Images/Ice block/invis to run lika girl. :p some might not like this but im like a little kidd i love high numbers so i had to make a build like this for fun. ive done well with this build b4 ive had a few 30+ KB games with 2 or less deaths.

Burning Soul 2/2- Its a BG spec that all your doing is casting FFB's so now this is more viable.

Shatter 0/3- Since its a BG spec ive had to many times kids breaking my novas b4 my FFB gets off so i just removed this talent to make my FFB hits harder. I know its a shatter build without shatter, but its for BG's and my main goal was FFB dmg.

Ice Shards 3/3- The Shatter build i saw posted, i dont see why you would spec into a shatter build without this talent.... to me its better then shatter lol for this type of build atleast.

Fire/Frost warding - I do spec into both of thous talents on another FFB i have which is more 2v2/duel orientated. The combo of the two ward talents is so GG 30% Reflect/30% negate with mana/5% negate from glyph/about 2k dmg absorb. some time with this setup the ward lasts for a while...reflect 1 negate 1 eat 1...3 casts i have see this pretty much cancel.

Precision 0/3- Just a waste of points here in my mind.... hit cap is not a problem and the mana saved is not worth the 3 talent points.

as far as gemming...i went for stacking SP since its a FFB DMG spec...so in all the spots where SP was not added for using the proper gems(ie stam/resil) i instead used a red SP gems and only used proper gemming in the items that gave + SP for proper gem useage.

red-sp
yellow-sp/crit
blue-2 for meta sp/stam i think i did (i 4get)

i rock about 80ish spell penn this build 35 from cloak enchant and the rest from the spell penn wrath wand.


thats pretty much all i have 2 add for now, my main focus was the Arcane/Fire spec thou, the FFB spec for me is mostly a fun spec which i use when bored just the fact that it hits so f'in hard and in BG's the heal reduc helps.

[wolfz17]

can anyone help with my lock. Whisp me on Daodrecu thx.

[Zorras]

This post was deleted by Zorras on Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:06 pm.
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[Zorras]

This post was deleted by Zorras on Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:09 pm.
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[uMadLoL]

Cool descriptions. ...
I've personaly put some PvP Class Vs Class tips, some rotations, some gemmings.
Mostly of info was copy pasted and put all in a "Soup" guide , all you can say is describe specs and so...
Then thanks for informing us the ApR is 99.99% Thats awesome X_X.
And Crit cap ? (If noobs will try to rich haste /ApR cap, => they wont pay attention at CRITICAL STRIKE RATING so they will still be noobs who will deal a 3 sec cast spell in 2 sec with 3500 damage instead of 2.5 sec and 5000 damage ftw)
In rest (if any more...) is a good guide...useful builds and so...noobs gonna appreciate, haters gonna hate

*Just sain`

[Violentpcfst]

I've Looked at the Frost Mage spec posted on this thread and figured I'd try and fix a few things, First you never spec any thing besides 20/0/51 you always get Torment the weak, and imp Counter spell, as well as focus magic (in some cases you get it more to counter-act those who would purge/dispell ect your partner by adding just one more thing to purge/dispell) furthermore you don't spec into Arctic Winds at all, nor do you spec into imp. blizz, now you can if human spec into Precision (in some cases at least) but with any other race you wouldnt need to if you gear your self rite. now the spec i use is as i said a 20/0/51
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage#_CXSs9_yUs5BuUa,U89ORe,12213

Full Wrath End game stats (non donor usually) are as follows 1k+ haste 1k+ res 2900+ spell power, Spell pen capped as well as hit capped. (these are the stats you want to aim for), basically saying you need atleast 1k haste, and 1k res you can do with out 3.3k spell power as a frost because most of your dmg comes from shatter combos. (and they heart ALOT, once hit a guy for a bout 10k shatter with a criting frost bolt and FFB)

back to the Spec If you want to take the 2 points from Arcane Concentration and put them into spell impact go for it, but do not no matter what anyone tells you, spec 0/2 or 1/2 into Magic Attunement (you spec 2/2 because it makes your poly and CS have the same range as your frost which is a good thing. as it makes it harder for ppl to out range it) as for glyphs anyone who tells you to glyph Eternal Water is either trolling, or honestly stupid. having pet freeze is damn near the single most important thing a mage can have vs ALOT of classes 1v1 as well as in arena.
the typical glyphs for a mage (arena bound) are Poly, Evo and Ice barrier. Evo for obvious reasons, ice barrier because 30% more ice barrier is always nice and poly because removing the Dot effects from the guy your tryin to CC is always a good thing. though some like to say "well if your good you and your partner wont need to clear them off" ect ect but sometimes you just gotta switch and most if not all of the good comps with a frost mage have alteast one dot spell or effect active on a target at any givin time.

And finally, use Mage armor vs those classes/specs with magic debuffs though some times you can get away with ice armor vs say a ret pala, BUT vs classes with any spells: Mage armor is the way to go which includes. DKs, Paladins, various casters, MM for silence shot and the frozen trap (some even say Surv because some of there stuff comes from magic). So in arena you'll usually run with mage armor (there are execptions like say vs a rdudu+awar: because Cyclone isnt considered as a magic spell once cast on you). thus when i jump into a match i always buff my self with mage armor (at the start and change it if i feel having 50% reduce magic debuffs is useless in this fight) as theres always one guy with a magic spell or skill i need to avoid on the enemy team, other wise people would just fear/poly/chain silence and what have you the mage and burst his partner, and thats not how its supposed to work now is it.

PS this isnt TBC stop spamming ice lance the entire fight when they are clearly over 3% (and ive seen em use it vs those that are at and near full health), on a some what related note if you freeze or deep freeze someone, and waste that "burst time" spamming ice lances you've cost yourself alot of potential burst. on a frozen target Frost bolt+Ice lance OR Frost bolt+Frost Fire bolt does wounders. (though always be ready to stop casting and to interupt something if need be. this is usually the case vs a warrior because of reflect but the point still remains you shouldnt waste a DF or a freeze with just ice lance spamming).

Anyway's Good Luck and have fun...those of you who actually listen to me instead of saying "this guys a nab he said not do to (insert something i said was stupid), dont listen to him what does he know?! im 2500+ rated eternal frost he's wrong GG BRO". also thank you kind sir who, im sure will decide it to be funny and actually say the "this guys a nab" thing.

[wabs24]

Note: The following specs are my opinion. If you think you have a better spec, then keep that spec no one is forcing you to use these. This is just my revisal of the OP's specs. I'm too lazy to list glyphs.

Demonology Warlock
Destruction Warlock
Affliction Warlock

Note: For Death Knights - Corpse Explosion doesn't work on Eternal.
Unholy Death Knight
Blood Death Knight
Frost Death Knight

Arms Warrior
Fury Warrior = N/A
Protection Warrior with Arms
Protection Warrior with Fury

Combat Rogue
Assassination Rogue
Subtlety Rogue

Holy Paladin
Retribution Paladin
Protection Paladin

Discipline Priest
Shadow Priest
Holy Priest [Not Recommended For PvP]

Beast Mastery Hunter
Marksmanship Hunter
Survival Hunter = N/A

Frost Mage
Arcane Mage
Fire Mage

Balance Druid
Feral Druid
Restoration Druid

Elemental Shaman
Restoration Shaman
Enhancement Shaman = N/A

[Dimash94]

gg dude

[infinitydevin]

Hmm...the druid powershift macros don't seem to be working for me..... I'll just find some other macro then I guess xD