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Re: Item store update

#81 by Flinchfly57 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:27 pm

xtralarge wrote:Thank you Flinchfly57 and Mythrylfalcon for your support. I'm very glad to see I'm not totally off base and just being ridiculous.

My pleasure. I would llike to see Matt or any other staff respond to your previous post instead of just ignoring all the facts you showed them proving them wrong.

-- 06 Dec 2010, 04:33 --

chillitarier wrote:Realm=redemption
Item ID =42334
Item name =Relentless Gladiator's Greatsword
Vote or donate =vote
Cost =120

and other 245 pvp relentless weapons (they are already on eternal realm)

or just add them to buy for arena points,rating and/or honor

why?simple
redemption is used to pvp a lot,too (why not)
and you cant obtain ANY pvp weapon on redemption

YES! I pvp as prot on my warrior, and I hate using a rogue 1 hander as a substitute. I could also use a 2 hander for my arms spec.
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Re: Item store update

#82 by Mattmeck1 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:10 am

We closely monitor item purchases to ensure bills are paid, money is there for upgrades, and we don't have servers that require purchases to be able to play and be competitive. We don't want everyone and their grandmother purchasing items, we try to keep the number of donors down so we don't become "one of those" servers.

We have already stated Wrathful is coming to Eternal, Tier 10 (25 man heroic) is coming to redemption, I am not sure where these "facts" that people are tossing around, but they are not "facts" they are assumptions.

The fact of the matter is, people purchasing VIP and getting items makes this free for everyone else, as long as the bills are paid, and there is room for upgrades we are happy.
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Re: Item store update

#83 by Argonath » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:19 am

Flinchfly57 wrote:Considering the fact that primordials were selling for 300-700g in 3.3.5 on several servers, why is making them easier to get a bad thing? Especially with the state icc is in, primordials are almost non existent, with those on the auction going for 30k plus for a single unit. maybe 25 is a bit low, maybe something like 40. Also do not do pve with pvp gear -.- unless the difference is t7 to relent, use anything but pvp gear.


i know primordials are non excistent right now, but you can do something about it isnt it? also, for my holy priest, the best boots available are donor, or the 245 pvp boots with spirit so why talking about pvp gear being a waste, as it is BiS for some classes? i also have the boots that drop from saurfang, but theyre not nearly as good.
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Re: Item store update

#84 by xtralarge » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:55 am

Thank you Matt for your response, I and the other critics, I'm sure; greatly appreciate you explanation and information.

I'm relieved to see this server is in no need of more donors and am equally relieved that I no longer need to feel like a DB for not donating, That does unfortunately leave a rather sizable gap between the donors and non-donor which in a way kinda makes it "one of those servers." Though an idea did occur to me, would the admin be interested in perhaps a mid-level donor section for those of us who would like to be donors and have some donor gear w/o paying the high prices? Items that range between the current donor gear and VP gear for my previously suggested 2-3 DP cost. I can put a list together if it would receive reasonable consideration. Alternatively if you guys can come up with a sweet deal on the DP -> VP option I'm sure a lot of your critics may be quited down a bit.
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Re: Item store update

#85 by thegreatcerebral » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:25 am

Mattmeck1 wrote:We have been announcing since the new store has been put up (which is what we needed to be able to do mass changes like this) that we would be doing changes. That is many weeks of notices, and many weeks of a heads up.

For those that read whats been stated, I am planning on adjusting and adding new items at least 1-2 times a week until it grows to 2-3 times the amount of items. This was just a first step.

People were never meant to gear up via vote points as quickly as they were, and a lack of ability to easily adjust the cost in the last system meant we had to wait to make changes.

When 90% of the items were added you could get 3 vote points a DAY, not you can get 19 a day (soon to be 20) when the rest were added you could get 6 a day.

Prices were not even increased to what they should be in reality, we felt that would be too much.



Not once in all the notices did you EVER say anything about prices going up. Furthermore AGAIN if you would have announced all this PRIOR TO doing it and giving a transition period then people would not be so mad.

Not all of us started when you could only get 6VP/Day do I don't really care if you guys have failed to keep the ratio up on VP items; to me this seems like a super dick move.

AGAIN, when you are transparant to your users then they are behind most actions you do. Telling us in advance "hey on Dec 1 we are changing all pricing etc." then we could have dumped our points and nobody would be pissed.

-- Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:30 am --

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Decadence wrote:I think a lot of people would rather go back to the old system.... I myself don't care about the amount of vote points I get. It's just ridiculous how we can't save up anymore. We have to spend our points in fear that you guys will jack up prices again. There really is no point in voting anymore. Just my two cents.


Everyone is missing the fact that the inflation of vote points is pretty significant. A person can get upwards of 20 vote points per day! Your point of view is quite an extremist view. This is the first time in the history of eternal that we have jacked up the vote prices.


I will say this again, I don't care if this is the first time Eternal has done this. What I see is complete bullshit as I've only been playing here for a couple of months really and so I've only seen an increase of 5VP/Day. The group I play with... same thing.

And personally with Heriloom items being such a hot topic my 2 cents are this... remove them from VP rewards or jack up the prices greatly. Having the free T7 and cheap heirlooms have already killed the AH pretty much when trying to sell gear (don't try to sell weapons, chest or shoulders... they don't sell save for disenchants).

-- Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:41 am --

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ichizack wrote:Realm= Redemption
Item ID = 49908
Item name = Primnordial saronite
Vote or donate = Vote Points
Cost = 25 points per unit / 300 points per Stack


Reason: Many Players lacks some good gear to run ICC. In theory, just these that donor can make it properly. Or if raid has some 3-4 donors with T10 on it.

Of course that playskill Is better than GS, but a Skilled player with T9 will get some burden to make Marrowgar, even in 10man normal. A raid with full T9 still lacks Boots, wrist and waist of the same level. The primordial saronite can give to this players a chance to buy the recipes and make some equips.


get the pvp items, or items from pos/fos heroic. icc wasnt meant for everyone, if your not good enough dont try it. so much non non-donors(including myself) have made it into icc(ive done that with scripted bosses) 10 normal is so boring, you can do it easily right now with the 30% buff(blame blizz for the buff, they made it 0-5-10-20-30%...) but dont put primordial saronite into it, and if you do, dont put it at 25 points per item.. its really free loot then...

Considering the fact that primordials were selling for 300-700g in 3.3.5 on several servers, why is making them easier to get a bad thing? Especially with the state icc is in, primordials are almost non existent, with those on the auction going for 30k plus for a single unit. maybe 25 is a bit low, maybe something like 40. Also do not do pve with pvp gear -.- unless the difference is t7 to relent, use anything but pvp gear.


I can tell you though that everyone is so love-blind to GS that it's worth it for some people who know how to play to run some WSG and grab a few higher GS pieces just to pad your GS :)
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Re: Item store update

#86 by Sergeant_Balko » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:21 pm

Realm= Redemtion
Item ID =
Item name = Gold
Vote or donate = Vote
Cost = 20 max 30 Vote Points
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Re: Item store update

#87 by Maartenvde » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:24 pm

Hello everyone,

Normally i am someone who just browses through these kinds of topic to see what others have to say, and just looking for any good statements. For me the recent raise in vote points in the store isnt that much of a problem. a good shield, weapon or cloak for 30, 60 or 75 voting points is really reasonable. also the mats like titanium ore and such are for a good price. so i havent really much to say on the raise in prices. However,

The Emblems of triumph have been risen by way to much iff you ask me. for 10 you will have to pay 85vp. Well okay you would say that is fair for emblems, the problem is that you cant by shit for 10 emblems. for any piece of good gear you will have to pay 30, mostly 50 or even 75 emblems. which in someway means that voting points aren't really worth spending on these things.

Forinstance i have 30 emblems from farming, and i want new pants, i need 170vp to get the 20 emblems, its just a bit stupid. Also i could have bought one 2h weapon, Cloack and some mats for the same amount of points. and i dont think that is fair. Iff you ask me i would or delete the emblems from the voting system because the aren't of any value because of the high price, or make it some bit cheaper, say like 40 vp for 10 emblems. that would make in my example above 80vp to get my pants which would be far more resonable i think.

Well thats how i think about the vp price raise, its not bad and not that much more expensive appart from the emblems. Hope you can take a look on those later on.

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Re: Item store update

#88 by xtralarge » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:43 pm

I totally agree with Maartenvde, time having distanced me from the change, I continue to be bothered by the cost of triumph emblems and feel that Maartenvde has very eloquently voiced my own concerns. Please don't boost the current cost of level 80 items, it's very nice to be able to save up VPs and when I hit 80, go ahead and pick up some nice gear for both specs.

And to more concisely state my frustrations with the purchasing power of DPs, I find it disappointing that in order to reap the in-game benefits of being a donor, in a remotely timely fashion, it costs more to play here than on a Blizzard server. I understand what you said Matt about not wanting "everyone and their grandmother" being a donor and I understand the value of that concept, however that does leave a rather sizable gear gap between donors and non-donors, yes skill can overcome that gap but the vast majority of players (including myself) are not that skilled.

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Re: Item store update

#89 by MrBaxterton » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:13 pm

#82 by Mattmeck1 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:10 am, We have already stated Wrathful is coming to Eternal, Tier 10 (25 man heroic) is coming to redemption, I am not sure where these "facts" that people are tossing around, but they are not "facts" they are assumptions.


Seriously? so then why did I donate to get t10, I did it so i could support the server and to better my playing experience. these is one of eternal's biggest cash crops, its an honor to be seen with t10/s8, I don't wanna come off rude, but thats a low blow right there, I guess I'm all for it now so i can get t10 for my other toons, but I'd hope it wont become a handout.

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Re: Item store update

#90 by Mattmeck1 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:42 pm

MrBaxterton wrote:
#82 by Mattmeck1 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:10 am, We have already stated Wrathful is coming to Eternal, Tier 10 (25 man heroic) is coming to redemption, I am not sure where these "facts" that people are tossing around, but they are not "facts" they are assumptions.


Seriously? so then why did I donate to get t10, I did it so i could support the server and to better my playing experience. these is one of eternal's biggest cash crops, its an honor to be seen with t10/s8, I don't wanna come off rude, but thats a low blow right there, I guess I'm all for it now so i can get t10 for my other toons, but I'd hope it wont become a handout.

long live eternal.


Once 25 man heroic works as it is suppose too, then it will be put back in, not before. And if people can not work around the bugs in 10 man, then they stand no chance in 25 heroics that is functioning.
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Re: Item store update

#91 by MrBaxterton » Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:26 pm

I feel like a dick mattmeck1, I didn't fully understand your statement. then I have no qualms over the new store, except maybe the vote prices for the badges, i feel the 30:10 ration was fair.

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Re: Item store update

#92 by Mattmeck1 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:20 pm

more store changes,

Did lower the cost of emblems some.
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Re: Item store update

#93 by scythehuakbar » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:33 pm

Mattmeck1 wrote:more store changes,

Did lower the cost of emblems some.


Thank you very much the change is very greatly appreciated.
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Re: Item store update

#94 by Tbs024 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:19 pm

Realm= Eternal
Item ID =50351
Item name =Tiny Abomination in a Jar
Vote or donate = Vote or Donate.
Cost = I do not care, just give it to me. Mail it to Beedrill. Now, it's gotta be now. Seal the deal. Do it. Lets do this thing. Send it right now. I'll give you 5 Schrute bucks for it.
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Re: Item store update

#95 by Mattmeck1 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:49 pm

Tbs024 wrote:Realm= Eternal
Item ID =50351
Item name =Tiny Abomination in a Jar
Vote or donate = Vote or Donate.
Cost = I do not care, just give it to me. Mail it to Beedrill. Now, it's gotta be now. Seal the deal. Do it. Lets do this thing. Send it right now. I'll give you 5 Schrute bucks for it.


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Re: Item store update

#97 by Tbs024 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:44 am

Alright, since I cannot get my abomination in a jar :doh: ...I s'pose this item will do

Realm= Eternal
Item ID = 38578
Item name = The Flag of Ownership
Vote or donate = Vote
Cost = 60 vote points
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Re: Item store update

#98 by m_dron » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:25 am

hello Dear Eternal.
I want to have the title "Chef" in cook (http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=1784), but 1 quest doesn't work and i can't get 1 important recipe (the recipe needs for title).
Recipe is Kungaloosh (http://www.wowhead.com/item=39520).
The quest when gives this recipe is Still At It (http://www.wowhead.com/quest=12644). I try to complete that quest many times, but it doesn't work, because I can't get the quest item Thunderbrew's Jungle Punch .
So, please add to item store this recipe (Kungaloosh) or item for quest (Thunderbrew's Jungle Punch).
Also I would be glad if you add another recipes in item store such as Recipe: Broiled Bloodfin (http://www.wowhead.com/item=33869) and Recipe: Stormchops (http://www.wowhead.com/item=33871)

Realm=redemption
Item ID =http://www.wowhead.com/item=39520
Item name =Kungaloosh
Vote or donate =vote
Cost =15 or more

or

Realm=redemption
Item ID =http://www.wowhead.com/item=38688
Item name =Thunderbrew's Jungle Punch
Vote or donate =vote
Cost =15 or more

Best regards,
Andrew from Ukraine.
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Re: Item store update

#99 by Tbs024 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:32 pm

Realm= Eternal
Item ID = 35227
Item name = Goblin Weather Machine - Prototype 01-B
Vote or donate = Vote
Cost = 100 Vote Points
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Re: Item store update

#100 by MrBaxterton » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:59 pm

will t10 be put in vote and how much will it be per piece? Just wanna know so I have enough points by then.

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I was confused about the above stated, I believe you meant to say 25man would not be available until 25man icc is fixed, however how you said it hinted towards it being available in such mediums as voting.
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