[Justice97]

Good Job Eternal WoW Staff .. With tha move you pushed tons of ppl from the server . Hope you are happy now . Noone will do arena anymore coz they are scared they will might loose gear they earned FAIRLY . Again good job . This server just earned a bad rep .

[Kotecka]

That was realy nice, i loged into the game and ther was no EQ...
Can u write us the algorithm of wintrading script, or it was just GM's idea ?

What decide im wintrader or not ? So if someon of opposite team logged out ,dc, etc durring fight im winTRADER ?, or maybe i just spent not enought VIP points ?

I play with my sons, we all lose EQ even a VIP EQ, so this looks kinda stupid if u have system checking wintrading, how it is possible to delete VIP items , i bet u have logs on characters where u can check donations.

U want me now to spent another 4 months wating for VIP Ticket to get back my items, wich i donated ? Or maybe im wintrader cuz i donated ?

Dont tell me that i dont have to play here or im good enough to get my eq again, do u know that word THRUST ?
i played fari all time, this game make me fun but now i realised that ur a bunch of pigs whining about money.

Im another one who have left this Server, (better get some adult GM's with normal ideas, and time to make them proper. )

[talebbano1]

This was the GREATEST fail of this Server:
Give us back the items cuz ur system is totally fail that massacre our innocence.
u massacre our Time-game with ur mistake!

-- Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:53 am --

Good Job Eternal WoW Staff .. With tha move you pushed tons of ppl from the server . Hope you are happy now . Noone will do arena anymore coz they are scared they will might loose gear they earned FAIRLY . Again good job . This server just earned a bad rep .

Eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy
GMs F A I L
there is no chance man!!!

[necronlord2]

This " wintrade check " was a complete FAIL . I dont know how they checked the teams but i dont think they watched any log about any arena match . I didnt do any wintrade and my partner too and we lost our full wrathful gear .
This wintrade check shit was only good for the Vip-s who gets pwned by skilled players in equal gear.

-- Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:36 am --

In my opinion they just deleted the top 100 nonvip team -.-

[leon0546]

Just out of curiousity, why do I still see the same list as usual in 3v3? Not updated yet?

[deminionz]

I'm saying this from a 3rd person perspective but wiping all the pvp gear that ppl worked hard to earn is not the way it should be done. You also have treated some members of the community disrespectfully i understand that ppl that donated should get their donate stuff back cause they spent money but what u have said is this "we do not really know who is win-trading so we decided to wipe every one if u have skills then u will get ur stuff back" It's not really a question of skill it took some ppl almost a year to get their gear if it took them orignaly 7months then it would more than likely take them 7months again or more most likely more cause now more ppl who may be better are jumping back in the roster cause they want their stuff back. Please do not lie and say that there is no margin for error cause there is. Here some variables for u to think about

1. ppl DC its a common issue
2. one team leaves or doesnt join for some reason or other

thats 2 variables i could give more but i can prove a point with these 2.
i do not care what u say there is no algorithm that can tell u some one is win-trading some ppl have old computers and DC cause of the computer some ppl have bad internet and DC for that reason there may be a personal issue where some one is forced to shut down their computer they may just flat out DC its not just like u cant really tell why some one may leave that doesnt make the other team win-traders. here is an example from me playing i joined a 2v2 practice battle to see what it may be like iv been having internet problems i DCed while loading the match my partner probably left cause of the odds of winning where slim being 2 on 1 that wouldnt make the other team win-traders confused maybe but not win-traders.

I enjoy this server very much and im not trying to tell yall how to run it i think yall do an excellent job but i do believe u handled this the wrong way. Im smart enough to know that theres no real way to know some ones a win-trader unless ur monitoring them. it also wasnt right to say if ur good ull get ur stuff back but hey donators leave a ticket and we'll help u not every one has the money to donate and that could be taken as very offensive. i in all honesty believe u should just apologize to the players encourage them to be on the look out for win-traders and report them and work together to prevent a precaution like this from happening again. Every one is human and makes mistakes learn from it and move on.

oh and on a different note i saw some one say something about teaming with some one who use to be a win-trader and some one else said u should be careful who u partner with if some one use to be a win-trader they most likely wouldnt tell the other person even if they did ask it would be in conflict with their self intrest

P.S. A wise person once told me u can say anything u want to people if you know how to say it in a kind way.
the way yall brought this up wasnt really the way to do it i felt insulted reading it and it didnt even effect me just a lil side not for yall.

[Decadence]

I don't even PvP so I can't really understand people's anger over this but yeah, it really sucks that a lot of people have been wrongly punished...

[Mattmeck1]

I don't even PvP so I can't really understand people's anger over this but yeah, it really sucks that a lot of people have been wrongly punished...

No there are a ton of people mad they got busted.

[robin1988]

as i explained in all of my tickets ,posts and PMs i did no wintrade and yet lost all my gear .
i sent PMs to devs and Managers,Posted my situation on Forums and Got no Answer.
I HAVE NEVER WINTRADED...my character Name Is Persus(Ret Paladin).3/5 wrathfull plus all offsets and weap...
Pls look into it !

[cheffe]

I don't even PvP so I can't really understand people's anger over this but yeah, it really sucks that a lot of people have been wrongly punished...

No there are a ton of people mad they got busted.

Yeah and there are tousands of tons of ppl who got treated the wrong way^^

[jijiberbecali]

Yeah and there are tousands of tons of ppl who got treated the wrong way^^

they wont recognise that because it means them to recognise they do things without profesionalism, and that they judged people just by being between some % of win-loss ratio, not by deep checking.

[Kabekiz]

Yeah and there are thousands of tons of ppl who got treated the wrong way^^

Over exaggeration? Yeah, pretty much.

There is going to be an angry vocal group of people who are going to claim they didn't wintrade for their gear, that's to be expected. There is going to be a rather small group of people who just happen to have hit a few of our red flags for wintraders but perhaps really didn't wintrade. Even sill, it was a multi-red-flag process and the odds of hitting each red flag without win-trading are essentially up there with winning the state lottery.

The other pissed off people? They were on a team that wintraded but they themselves weren't the wintraders, in which case they were punished by association.

"But I got my gear through VoA / donations / etc."
Yep, and you were on a wintrading team, so you were punished as well. All PvP gear was removed no matter how it was gained. If you donated for the gear then you can get it back one time.

You are responsible for who you group / team up with. If you notice your team mates are wintrading and you sit quietly and don't say anything because you gain benefit from it? Too bad, should have spoken up.

"You deleted all teams over _____ ranking"

No we didn't

[Kabekiz]

This post was deleted by Kabekiz on Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:32 pm.
Reason: Please do not solicit sexual favors from staff.

[chillitarier]

Yeah and there are thousands of tons of ppl who got treated the wrong way^^

Over exaggeration? Yeah, pretty much.

There is going to be an angry vocal group of people who are going to claim they didn't wintrade for their gear, that's to be expected. There is going to be a rather small group of people who just happen to have hit a few of our red flags for wintraders but perhaps really didn't wintrade. Even sill, it was a multi-red-flag process and the odds of hitting each red flag without win-trading are essentially up there with winning the state lottery.

The other pissed off people? They were on a team that wintraded but they themselves weren't the wintraders, in which case they were punished by association.

"But I got my gear through VoA / donations / etc."
Yep, and you were on a wintrading team, so you were punished as well. All PvP gear was removed no matter how it was gained. If you donated for the gear then you can get it back one time.

You are responsible for who you group / team up with. If you notice your team mates are wintrading and you sit quietly and don't say anything because you gain benefit from it? Too bad, should have spoken up.

"You deleted all teams over _____ ranking"

No we didn't

no one is either thinking nor believing what u say so get over it, this was plain fail

and for the future,..... how can we make sure we wont meet a win trading team by just queue and not getting the "association " role and vice verca the gear i was farming the whole week for is just gone again?

any solution? ss each and every fight?

how shall we post it? U have an extra server for these ss proofs? Or shall we just spam photobucket?

again how can we make sure we wont become win trader if we queue the regular way? Meeting a win trader team means wipe of gear and that can just happen for accident...

U dont have a solution cause u dont rly care or u just keep on handling these things this certain way, then server is empty in 4 weeks

..ah yeah, almost forgot, I won the state lottery three times, with my horde mage, and with both my priests ally n horde.....why my other 3 chars werent win traders, I played with them the exact same way..do 10 matches a week and move on to the next char....btw i had 2k arena p with them all, was saving for wrath chest cause my rating was too low for head, I am no win trader^^

ah u still think we are win tradersm well u know what community thinks, who is right here?

no one, cause u cant go out the right way if both directions lead to wrong path^^

[iFallen]

this is retarded, ppl that actually got there ratings and gear legitly have to suffer because the idiots have to cheat to get there gear? i call bullshit, you should just give legit teams there gear and rating back

[mikasa123]

O man this has got to be my favorite announcement ever. I wish I could personally high five all the GM's and admins involved in this decision/process.

Saw a lot of rage posts (most likely wintraders) crying about losing their gear so they are switching servers...good riddance. We don't want your trash on eternal k thx bai. With this change I know myself along with several quality pvp'ers are considering returning to eternal to see themselves on the top 10 page because now it won't be covered in wintrading shit. So whoever thinks we are losing population from this decision you are half right - we lose the cheaters but we gain many more quality players.

For those very very few who actually played fair and hit all the red flags and got gear deleted - have patience and work with the staff instead of raging like retards.

For you wintraders who got your gear deleted - you got what you deserve and I guess you learned the hard way that cheaters never prosper.

[Justice97]

Mattmeck serious question. How much did you have in Math's in school ? By your formula its a straight F . Kabekiz are you insane? from 100% ppl who got theair gear deleted , I bet 80% is innocent. You know why ? Coz you want only donors on this server and you are pushing non donor ppl away from the server , well GJ coz atleast 20% or ppl who were often online on Redemption just quited because someone doesnt know how much is 2+2 .. Thats all from me now.

[jijiberbecali]

O man this has got to be my favorite announcement ever. I wish I could personally high five all the GM's and admins involved in this decision/process.

Saw a lot of rage posts (most likely wintraders) crying about losing their gear so they are switching servers...good riddance. We don't want your trash on eternal k thx bai. With this change I know myself along with several quality pvp'ers are considering returning to eternal to see themselves on the top 10 page because now it won't be covered in wintrading shit. So whoever thinks we are losing population from this decision you are half right - we lose the cheaters but we gain many more quality players.

For those very very few who actually played fair and hit all the red flags and got gear deleted - have patience and work with the staff instead of raging like retards.

For you wintraders who got your gear deleted - you got what you deserve and I guess you learned the hard way that cheaters never prosper.

what about innocent ones?

[srdjanrox94]

FUCKING SHIT.. i never do wintrade, and u pig delete mine gear, i just has 1/5 wratfull..and that is hands which i got in VOA! OMG . FUCKING FAIL.. Do u have some evidence that will show how i do wintrading ? or something else.. pls show me, so i can say u didnt fail ! Noob gm's !!!!

[sparkygunther]

I'm just curious. I made my own team and got to a 2100 rating in 2v2. How can you tell if we were win-trading or just being pro? I'm a full donor. We never win-traded, just played for fun. We did go 10,20, somtimes 30 wins and 0 losses. Not only did I lose my team rating, gear(which i was lucky to get back) and arena points. But six of my friends lost their gear. Three of which were full donors. GUESS WHAT!?!!? They went to Molten-WoW. So good going. I don't care what your "wintrading system?" says. Its fucking faulty.
Goodday.