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Subtlety Rogue arena guide

#1 by dimit1110 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:06 am

Hello Guys.
Ok you might wonder why I would spec differently depending on what race I played but you need to consider how much stealth detect/stealth levels you lose when playing nelf/human
Heightended Senses Stealth Detection Value: 6
Perception Value: 5
Elusiveness Value: 5

You should take 3/3 Intiative for 3's garrote gibs are not the same w/o it. You have to choose between imp evis or ruthlessness depending on how many high / low armour teams are on the server but I think imp eviscerates benefits is better than ruthlessness because u need to save important talents for subtlety.

Best Classes for subtlety Rogue:
Human u can put 2 DPS trinkets
Undead WoTF if the best thing while you are playing agains Spell Cleave

Talents:
http://eternal.armory.eternal-wow.com/talent-calc.php?cid=4&tal=30220310000000000000000000030000000000000000000000000005320232020322120050135231251
(without hemorrhage)

http://eternal.armory.eternal-wow.com/talent-calc.php?cid=4&tal=30220310000000000000000000030000000000000000000000000005320232030322121050135211251
(with hemorrhage)

Glyphs
major: Shadow Dance, Vigor, Sprint
minor: Vanish, Distract, Sprint

Ideal weapons:

1.8 one-hand (Berserking)
you will need wound poison on this weapon.

1.5 off-hand (Chain) [Sword/Fist/Mace/Axe]
prefer wound again because instant poison have low proc.

1.4 off-hand (chain)
you will need this in your bag for swap, better to have crippling poison(peel) or Anesthetic(warrior's enrages)

Don't use Crippling Poison in (1.5 off-hand) because sub have Waylay talent use crippling only if you need to peel your partner.

why I don't use Instant Poison: Because proc chance is based on weapon speed

Instant Poison proc chances WITHOUT Improved Poisons:

1.3 Speed - 18.57%
1.4 Speed - 20.00%
1.5 Speed - 21.43%
1.6 Speed - 22.86%
1.7 Speed - 24.29%
1.8 Speed - 25.71%
2.6 Speed - 37.14%
2.8 Speed - 40.00%

Wound poison procs

Wound Poison proc chance based on weapon speed:

1.3 Speed - 46.43%
1.4 Speed - 50.00%
1.5 Speed - 53.57%
1.6 Speed - 57.14%
1.7 Speed - 60.71%
1.8 Speed - 64.29%
2.6 Speed - 92.86%
2.8 Speed - 100.00%

Subtlety over Assassination.
pros
+better cc
+SHD is like stealth u can use sap
+Shadowstep better mobility
+Cheat Death gives you second chance
+fast swiches
cons:
-You can make heavy burst every 1 minute

Best setups for rogue

2v2
Rogue/Priest offensive play by the Priest is the key for win.
Rogue/Mage heavy burst and alot of cc.
Rogue/Druid (restoration) melle DPS dont have chance without dispell. (this is best with Assassination)

3v3 only for subtlety rogues
RMP (rogue/Mage/Priest) Probably they will go on you so stay cool don't panic just go defensive or pop some defensive CDs . ITs good when you use your SHD as soon as posible because you want to put alot pressure on enemy team and they must use their CDs to survive, all Defensive CDs have Cooldown around 2-3 min SHD have Cooldown 1min so you must looking for a kill in next minute. don't get cc while you Dancing because you loose alot pressure.

Hardest Opunents:

Paladin/Warrior/Hunter (10/10)
Just go on hunter put cc on the paladin mage can control the warrior pretty much. Your priest must use Scream every time.

Lock/Shaman/Druid (8/10)
just go on druid and try to kill him rogue must sap the lock mage sheep shaman. if you dont go on druid mage cant put sheep on him and they will be healed all the time and you will loose after the priest go out of mana
this is 1 of the best Spell cleaves in 3.3.5 and 1 of the hardest oponent for RMP.

Rogue/Mage/Priest (5/10)
try to kill enemy rogue put all your cc on the priest the team with better survival will win.

Macros.

Fucus step+kick
#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus] Shadowstep
/cast [target=focus] Kick


Shadow Dance
#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Premeditation
/cast Ambush

you can write /cast Garrote instead Ambush

Focus gouge
#shwotooltip
/cast [target=focus, exists] Gouge


Focus kick
#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus, exists] Kick


Focus Dismantle
#shwotooltip
/cast [target=focus, exists] Dismantle


Focus Blind
#shwotooltip
/cast [target=focus, exists] Blind


Standard Macros:

#showtooltip
/cast Backstab
/startattack


Vanish (more reliable with focus sap in it lol)
#showtooltip
/stopattack
/cast Vanish
/stopattack
/cast [target=focus, exists] Sap


ToTT (tricks of The Trade)
[A]
#showtooltip
/cast [target=namehere] Tricks of the Trade



[b]#showtooltip
/cast [target=party1] Tricks of the Trade

{does party 1 or 2 if the name don't exist so it works in 2v2 and 3v3}

Sap macro
[A]
#show Sap
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap

{use this if u search another rogue}


[b]#showtooltip Sap
/console targetNearestDistance 10,000000
/targetenemy [noharm][dead]
/console targetNearestDistance 18,000000
/cast [harm,nodead] Sap

{use this to sap current Target}

Weapons swaps
/equipslot 16 0 15 (swaps your mainhand with bag slot 15 (2nd last spot in ur backpack)
/equipslot 17 0 15 (swaps offhand with bag slot 15)
/equipslot 16 0 16 (swaps offhand with bag slot 16)

if you have any questions feel free to ask me.
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Re: Subtlety Rogue arena guide

#2 by Vikman » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:53 am

i prefer glyph of preparation vs ATR and TSG instead of sprint
when ill grow i will be a....ret

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