[Lion-_-]

Let's see..?

[phalanx14]

Let's see..?

Expertise (Orc Racial - axes) plays a minor factor in most cases.

War Stomp/Extra HP (Tauren Racials) however are a good addition in pve.

The extra hp in heroic modes are welcome, and sometimes may be the difference between surviving a fight, or asking for a ress in the end.

War Stomp is one of the most useful abilities in PVE - interrupting dark martyrdoms, aoe casts, CC'ing or slowing down Valkyrs, and so on.

[Kryptk]

Orcs get +3 expertise with One and Two-Handed Axes, and Fist Weapons.

expertise is a pretty handy stat for tanks tbh since it reduces the chance for the mob to dodge ur attacks, hence increasing ur threat generation. in addition it reduces the chance that the mob parries ur attacks resulting in the parry-haste effect, this won't be something you need to take into account though since blizzard is a bunch of pussies and disabled this for pretty much all bosses...f**king f*gs... basicly all it does is make you hit more often wich increase ur threat generation and you'll get it naturally from gear.

bottom line, tauren is probably the better choice :3

[impossiblebrutality]

Orc - Blood Fury (Attack Power Racial Proc scaling with Character Level)
Axe Specialization Racial = +5 Expertise

Indeed Orcs are better for DPS.

Tauren are better for PvP/PvE tanking.

(+5% health and war stomp)

[Lion-_-]

I see that most of new warriors using Taurens but i think that Orc is better choice for PvE-ing only because their racial abilityies.

[phalanx14]

I see that most of new warriors using Taurens but i think that Orc is better choice for PvE-ing only because their racial abilityies.

There's a small difference in DPS whether you choose a tauren or an orc.
In fact the most significant change, in terms of DPS/Class Choice
= would be a Draenei (+1% hit).

Anyway:
- I'd definitely suggest, in the long run, once you're part of a group that can clear endgame content, that a Tauren will be of more use to your group (utility, extra survivability), than a mere greenskin.

[Lion-_-]

'Tauren will be of more use to your group (utility, extra survivability)' ==> In that name,since i asked for PvE only (dps/tanking) it's definitely right.

[XsupremeX]

tauren for tanking pve

orc for pvp

[Walka]

trolls are better than orc or tauren for dpsing because of berserking racial, though.

[DkTizzy202]

If i went horde i would go Tauren because honesstly who doesn't wanna be a Giant Cow with a Huge Shiny axe and be like RAWRRRRRR or MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when you pop all yours CDS anyways just get the Cow and end the conversation XD

Side note... Marph... what happened to your other account? i swear i thought you had post hacker on it

[Lion-_-]

trolls are better than orc or tauren for dpsing because of berserking racial, though.

Trolls as warriors sucking hard,belive me,and if you look out,there is only 1 (maybe) in 20 warriors who choosed Troll.

-- Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:25 pm --

If i went horde i would go Tauren because honesstly who doesn't wanna be a Giant Cow with a Huge Shiny axe and be like RAWRRRRRR or MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when you pop all yours CDS anyways just get the Cow and end the conversation XD

Yes,that's a good feeling
If we look it from 'style' side Tauren is the best,then Orc but Troll is retarded,as a warrior,i mean .

[Sn00kyz]

Someone has hijacked my sheep...

[Walka]

trolls are better than orc or tauren for dpsing because of berserking racial, though.

Trolls as warriors sucking hard,belive me,and if you look out,there is only 1 (maybe) in 20 warriors who choosed Troll.

my warrior is a troll. berserking is an amazing racial, especially if you use death wish at the same time. just because only 1 in 20 warrs (apparently) go troll, doesnt mean they suck. underrated race for sure.

[Lion-_-]

my warrior is a troll. berserking is an amazing racial, especially if you use death wish at the same time. just because only 1 in 20 warrs (apparently) go troll, doesnt mean they suck. underrated race for sure.

Berserking and that's all? - When you making an warrior,you should check warrior available-races and see their specifityes,for example Orcs and Taurens are much better as warriors for couple of reasons,not only one.

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And,warrior is supposed to be strong,muscular and big-looking creature,not a wild pig

[impossiblebrutality]

Failion, why do you want to get a race change ?

[Walka]

my warrior is a troll. berserking is an amazing racial, especially if you use death wish at the same time. just because only 1 in 20 warrs (apparently) go troll, doesnt mean they suck. underrated race for sure.

Berserking and that's all? - When you making an warrior,you should check warrior available-races and see their specifityes,for example Orcs and Taurens are much better as warriors for couple of reasons,not only one.

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And,warrior is supposed to be strong,muscular and big-looking creature,not a wild pig

ok so what other things make orc and taurens? OMGWARSTOMP. and a few expertise on axes? most players dont need the extra expertise and the warstomp has very limited usefulness in raids. sure, good in pvp, and the tauren stam bonus is good for tanking but aside from that, what else am i missing? the extra haste from a trolls berserking is more useful than any orc or tauren racial traits when going dps,

[HordesOfChaos]

ok so what other things make orc and taurens? OMGWARSTOMP. and a few expertise on axes? most players dont need the extra expertise and the warstomp has very limited usefulness in raids. sure, good in pvp, and the tauren stam bonus is good for tanking but aside from that, what else am i missing? the extra haste from a trolls berserking is more useful than any orc or tauren racial traits when going dps,

Orcs have Blood Fury + Expertise on Axes.

Haste doesn't benefit warriors as much as Attack Power.
Haste isn't a good stat at all, maybe at higher gear levels but certainly not for the average raiding Fury Warrior.

[Lion-_-]

Walka your knowledge for warriors is extremely low,you think if you choosed Troll you invented warriors.
Same as the Manoxar said,attack power is more usefull then haste for warriors for several reasons... Haste stat is mostly for casters and some melee's,but not for warriors.
1) +50% attack speed from talents proc.

^^^ This is enough for an average raiding fury warrior.

[undead_king]

Orc, 322 ap is like a lesser trinket on use, for tanks maybe Taurens cuz of aoe stun and a little more hp...

For pvp - Orc for duels and bgs, Tauren for arena....

[Walka]

ok so what other things make orc and taurens? OMGWARSTOMP. and a few expertise on axes? most players dont need the extra expertise and the warstomp has very limited usefulness in raids. sure, good in pvp, and the tauren stam bonus is good for tanking but aside from that, what else am i missing? the extra haste from a trolls berserking is more useful than any orc or tauren racial traits when going dps,

Orcs have Blood Fury + Expertise on Axes.

Haste doesn't benefit warriors as much as Attack Power.
Haste isn't a good stat at all, maybe at higher gear levels but certainly not for the average raiding Fury Warrior.

berserking + flurry + bloodlust + raid-wide icytalons?(dk frost haste) (you will have BL and talons in 99% of 25mans, and most 10mans)makes super fast white hits = crazy fast heroic strikes and a ton of rage generation. i was an orc for ages you know, and berserking helped more than bloodfury did, because bloodfury doesnt scale very well as you get to higher gear (it doesnt scale, flat damage increase rather than melee haste, where the damage increase scales with gear). the amount of extra daamge from the faster HC strikes/white hits does more damage than the relatively small amount of AP gained from bloodfury even when applied to all attacks. i have tested it on the ptr, made and orc warr and a troll warr, same gear n spec. berserking put me higher on the dps charts than did bloodfury, with the same buffs, both used at the start of the fight, and every CD after that.

believe it or not, the massive amounts of melee haste fury warriors get in raids increases the dps they do more than anything else, including AP procs, str procs, ArP procs (for you undergeared warriors out there).
most warriors wont need an orc's axe spec for expertise, which i can see as a legitimate reason to be an orc (undergeared, dont wana be dodged) but after you reach 26 expertise without that racial, the remaining reason to stay (bloodfury) will be less useful than berserking at that gear level.