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Re: Death Knight heals

#21 by abergarrus » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:53 am

reathien wrote:DIcer was the only rogue to beat me 1v1 in equal gear.
Ever.
Warlocks have ALOT of anti rogue abilitys, Metamorphosis granting 50% stun reduction itsself, + Succubus and Soft summoning felguards during the fight, + fears and stuns, if a warlock loses to a rogue its generally sad unless they're packing potions and FaPs (DICER)
Aswell Warriors arent really a "counter" Unless they're better than you. only warrior to win in equal gear was you Kazu, and fuck thats a give in WHY, smart Warlocks know that beserkers rage only lasts so longs ;D and knows how to work around it. Or just burst you down for the love of god himself.

Warriors are a hard counter to warlocks, the conditions given where that they be in equal gear and skill level.
Berserker rage grants fear immunity but so does recklessness. you understand DR's so you know you won't keep a good warrior in a good fearlock for at least 40 seconds. If you use stance switch and cancelaura bladestorm charge macros on remorse you're automatically top 10 :|
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Re: Death Knight heals

#22 by worldorder » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:07 pm

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raphiiel wrote:Hello!
I am Warrior, full Demonic set and Apocalyptic Two-Handed Sword of Remorse, i duel SR3 DK, but they usually beats me. Why? Because of these damned heals. It is unfair as hell, if 13m DK kills 24m Warrior. He is under Mortal Strike, he has 3M HP, then he use the heal which kill Ghoul and his hp is full? Or if he hits 3m with Death Strike, it heals him 3m? Rune Tap heals him 20%? Then some Mark of Blood heals him 4% every hit? I think it is unfair as hall against all classes and it could be reduced.

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Well, are you a GOOD warrior? I know I sure as hell wouldnt be able to beat a pro full demonic + apoc weapons warrior on my dk.
negas wrote:5.you cant heal up to full health when you EATZZ YOUR GHOUL!(sorry for the caps sharkpool)


I forgive you <3, oh and, you can, 80% heal with ghoul, plus 35% from blood?



I was the one that dueled him and won lol. He told me he was going to make a thread about my heals so I'm like okay. lol. Anyways yeah Dk's are so fun to play haha. No wonder half of the population is Dk's lol. Op bitches haha. No more druids for me lol.
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Re: Death Knight heals

#23 by Cereal750 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:25 pm

raphiiel wrote:Hello!
I am Warrior, full Demonic set and Apocalyptic Two-Handed Sword of Remorse, i duel SR3 DK, but they usually beats me. Why? Because of these damned heals. It is unfair as hell, if 13m DK kills 24m Warrior. He is under Mortal Strike, he has 3M HP, then he use the heal which kill Ghoul and his hp is full? Or if he hits 3m with Death Strike, it heals him 3m? Rune Tap heals him 20%? Then some Mark of Blood heals him 4% every hit? I think it is unfair as hall against all classes and it could be reduced.

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You obviously need to practice your class. With mortal strike you can kill even donor dks. They are overpowered but you can still beat them if you're good.
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Re: Death Knight heals

#24 by flash119911 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:42 pm

reathien wrote:DIcer was the only rogue to beat me 1v1 in equal gear.
Ever.


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Re: Death Knight heals

#25 by worldorder » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:59 pm

Cereal750 wrote:
raphiiel wrote:Hello!
I am Warrior, full Demonic set and Apocalyptic Two-Handed Sword of Remorse, i duel SR3 DK, but they usually beats me. Why? Because of these damned heals. It is unfair as hell, if 13m DK kills 24m Warrior. He is under Mortal Strike, he has 3M HP, then he use the heal which kill Ghoul and his hp is full? Or if he hits 3m with Death Strike, it heals him 3m? Rune Tap heals him 20%? Then some Mark of Blood heals him 4% every hit? I think it is unfair as hall against all classes and it could be reduced.

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You obviously need to practice your class. With mortal strike you can kill even donor dks. They are overpowered but you can still beat them if you're good.


all he spammed was mortal strike lol
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Re: Death Knight heals

#26 by Cereal750 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:56 pm

worldorder wrote:
all he spammed was mortal strike lol


mortal -> blood -> mortal -> blood… etc.
Thats how you go. Perfect blend of dps, heals, and heal cuts for them.
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Re: Death Knight heals

#27 by jestersenior » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:31 pm

When I fight Dk's on my warr. First thing that Im doing is charge, ham, mortal cleave macro spaaaaaaams, shockwave, mortal cleave spammmmmmm, concussion blow, bladddddddestorm xD
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Re: Death Knight heals

#28 by worldorder » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:46 pm

Cereal750 wrote:
worldorder wrote:
all he spammed was mortal strike lol


mortal -> blood -> mortal -> blood… etc.
Thats how you go. Perfect blend of dps, heals, and heal cuts for them.


I think this is how it went

rend=>mortal=>shockwave=>lolstorm=>mortal=>mortal some more--> lose "omfg you heal so much even with mortal. I make forum post now"
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Re: Death Knight heals

#29 by jestersenior » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:49 pm

Oh man lol. Worldorder make more funny post's please. ^.^
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Re: Death Knight heals

#30 by abergarrus » Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:56 pm

Don't bother with rend on remorse, kthx
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Re: Death Knight heals

#31 by jestersenior » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:11 pm

abergarrus wrote:Don't bother with rend on remorse, kthx


I dont feel the bleed damage of rend is worth the cost of switching to battle stance then back to berserker. /agree
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Re: Death Knight heals

#32 by Shamanserbian2 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:17 am

abergarrus wrote:
cyber2600 wrote:Hunter is easy for Skilled Druid


No. I have never, nor will ever lose to a druid as a hunter. maybe- MAYBE if the druid were full donor and I was in icc gear w/ a nexus bow and the druid played boomkin.
Let's look over the counters on remorse, shall we? (the followin is assuming the classes are played by skilled people in full donor gear)
Druid: Hard counter to warriors, soft counter to dk's, soft counter to priests
DK: Hard counter to warriors, priests, shamans, soft counter to everything else but mage,hunter and rogues
Hunter: Extreme counter to shaman, druid, and warlock. soft counter to everything else but warriors in defensive, paladins, and DK's
Mage: Extreme counter to rogues, counter to paladins soft counter to deathknights
Paladins: Soft counter to rogues and warriors (assuming they can kite)
Priests: Hard counter to mages and shamans, soft counter to paladins
Rogue: Hard counter to Deathknights and warlocks, counter to shamans and priests, soft counter to druids
Shaman: Countered by everyone else lol
Warlock: Hard counter to shamans, counter to mages, soft counter to paladins
Warrior: Extreme counter to warlocks,Hard counter to mages(in defensive), counter to hunters (defensive), soft counter to rogues and shamans

I'm gonna make me a graph to illustrate this, just so you know what i mean by all these counters think of it this way, Extreme counter will win >95% of the time, hard counter will win >80% of the time, counter will win >65% of the time, soft counter will win >50% of the time just as a point of reference

I really got offended when you told forum that shamans got countered by everyone but thats not true (mostly)
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Re: Death Knight heals

#33 by abergarrus » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:23 am

Kar's the one who says they're countered by everone, I honestly don't see it that way. but with broken totems shamans aren't doing too well. I do okay as a shaman, beating better geared paladins,warriors, druids, DK's, etc. but that's mostly due to a skillgap
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Re: Death Knight heals

#34 by Cereal750 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:58 pm

abergarrus wrote:Kar's the one who says they're countered by everone, I honestly don't see it that way. but with broken totems shamans aren't doing too well. I do okay as a shaman, beating better geared paladins,warriors, druids, DK's, etc. but that's mostly due to a skillgap


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Re: Death Knight heals

#35 by xxxtwistxxx » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:38 pm

Meh shamans are easy to play pew pew riptide wait for instant heal pew pew flameshock wow i won.
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Re: Death Knight heals

#36 by reathien » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:41 pm

Kazu, kiting a warrior is easier than you may think, and keep in mind my DoTs eat your HP like a monster.
Good warlock in equal gear usually stomps Warrior. Just saying.
PS there is a "deadzone" akin to hunters vs a warrior when your out of range for attacks and too close for charge/intercept.
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Re: Death Knight heals

#37 by abergarrus » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:13 pm

reathien wrote:Kazu, kiting a warrior is easier than you may think, and keep in mind my DoTs eat your HP like a monster.
Good warlock in equal gear usually stomps Warrior. Just saying.
PS there is a "deadzone" akin to hunters vs a warrior when your out of range for attacks and too close for charge/intercept.


Tears, kiting a good warrior is harder then you think. I don't lose to warlocks-on any realm, in equal gear. Just saying.

I know of this "dead zone", it's called 5-8 kiting it's counterable :)
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Re: Death Knight heals

#38 by Cereal750 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:59 pm

abergarrus wrote:
reathien wrote:Kazu, kiting a warrior is easier than you may think, and keep in mind my DoTs eat your HP like a monster.
Good warlock in equal gear usually stomps Warrior. Just saying.
PS there is a "deadzone" akin to hunters vs a warrior when your out of range for attacks and too close for charge/intercept.


Tears, kiting a good warrior is harder then you think. I don't lose to warlocks-on any realm, in equal gear. Just saying.

I know of this "dead zone", it's called 5-8 kiting it's counterable :)


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