[DJScias]

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Thank you all for the major support and compliments, but you shouldn't direct everything towards me. Eternal-WoW is what deserves most of both.

To get back to the point of the damage bug:
The big reason why this bug hasn't yet been fixed is because of that we're testing fixes on our dev realms to make them battle tested so that they won't break after a week. We want lasting quality, not something that breaks after a week. Do not think we haven't been doing anything, we've already come a great deal and we hope to get this fix rolling in the near future. This fix will also included other fixes for a range of other things, but more information might be given in the near future.

About the usage of this bug:
The staff is noticing a lot of players wanting to deliberately use the bug to counter other bugged 'abusers' (accidental or not), the Staff would like to ask if this could not be done. We already explained why we can't ban all the people because of this bug but the Staff would like if you do not deliberately use this bug if you have the chance not to use it.  It takes away the fun and the fairness and yes, we know that the bug abusers take away both of that but we still like to ask of every one of you to not use the bug if you have the chance not to.

I hope this clears up a bit more for you all.

Hello there Ruin community,

I have been seeing the disturbing posts about "Eternal is dropping Ruin" or "Eternal doesn't care about Ruin anymore." and "We're on our own." May I stress that this is NOT the case.

I would like to go over a few points with you all, Ruin players:
Lately, I have seen that the whole world chat turn into a "Yelling-to-each-other" Chat, everyone is accusing everyone of bug abusing and Ruin is turning into a complete chaos like that. I would like to ask of all of you, if you want to flame at someone, yell at someone, express yourself or want to talk about ANYTHING that bugs you (Ruin-related) at all. You can send me a personal message on the forums and I will personally answer all of them and work this out with all of you. Every person will be treated personally and in their own unique way.

Second of all, I also noticed that when I come on to do Q&A's, I sometimes get insults thrown at me. I'm a bit disappoined at this for the reasons that I'm working day and night on this sometimes, some Real-Life people and some people who know me over the internet have actively telling me to take a small break before I burn out. I have spent the last two weeks and even these days investigating this damage bug and when I want to come on Ruin for a Q&A or for a friendly chat. The only thing I meet are people insulting me. I'd like to ask the same as above, if you have a problem with me or a complaint about me or either anything about Ruin. Send me a personal message at our forums here and I will work this all out with you.

With those two points aside, we can turn the world chat in a better condition already and have a more fun time playing Ruin.

Alright, now to get to the subject of "Banning the bug abusers":
The problem with this bug is that it's globally, almost everyone has it or has gotten it once in his Ruin playtime, which makes it impossible for us to ban anyone using it since this could mean that around 90% of our Ruin community should get banned for ever accidently (or not) triggering this bug. If again, you think this is not a fair way to deal with it or you have more questions regarding this. Feel free to send me a personal message and your voice will be heard.

On a last note, we thank all of the Ruin players for their support in helping us find how the bug is actually caused, all of you play a vital role in the bug removal of Ruin. Do not think your opinion or voice is not heard because we have been investigating every way this bug could be caused that was told to us at the World chat.

I hope this all clears up a lot and that this will make the server less yelling and a more enjoyable place to play and enjoy Eternal and Ruin. I once again stress, if you still want to talk about something, or yell to me for something. Please do not do it in-game but send me a personal message.

Thank you for your time and never stop playing,

DJScias

[Kaodite]

Thanks for the post DJ :p hope it gets fixed when it's possible till then I'll be avoiding Uldum lol


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[Luciendar]

Believe me DJ this realm has been worse in the past when warriors were immortal, and mages were gods with guns(icelance being bugged) and it survived then, im sure it will now. Its annoying that those who exploit the bug get away with it, since the innocent cannot be punished for it when they dont know of it. I'm sure those of us that have been here since the start enjoy the turns Ruin has taken. Bugs will need fixing, this is the everyday reality of a PS. I know you will/have found the way, and Im looking forward to the change in winds, when the abusers start running from the rest of the players XD.


Regards

Sheogorath(the mad, the insane, call it what you will.)

[RoguexA]

Keep up the work Brutha, pretty sure we'll get some ideas in for you

[adubyu]

Thanks for the response DJ, its really appriciated =]

I don't want to start anything here, but i want to just point one thing out...
After a re-log, the bug is gone from a player. Meaning if you become bugged, you can fix yourself, and anyone that uses it for pvp should be considered exploiting it... I dont think this will be anyware near the majority of the server, infact i think i speak for most when i say none of us will miss the people reported for exploiting this =]

[RoguexA]

Thanks for the response DJ, its really appriciated =]

I don't want to start anything here, but i want to just point one thing out...
After a re-log, the bug is gone from a player. Meaning if you become bugged, you can fix yourself, and anyone that uses it for pvp should be considered exploiting it... I dont think this will be anyware near the majority of the server, infact i think i speak for most when i say none of us will miss the people reported for exploiting this =]

To add to this - perhaps not permanent bans, but perhaps week long bans for such an exploit.

Just throwing ideas back and forth - hopefully you read this buddy.

[graumis]

good god.. no need for bans.. lol

doesnt noone remmebers the good old times.. when peeps do smting stupid, they dont get banned or anything

the patroling gm just jail's him for beeing retarded!!! problem solved!

[inruins]

DJScias you are amazing thank you vary much for this post. I agree chat has turned in to some kind of upset/Noobrage/Troll-fest/Who can come up with the better insult contest...All you guys are doing is making noise do not discredit DJ he is always trying to make ruin better for you. Remember it's an alpha realm it will have bugs and hiccups now and then, but that's all part of the process. I think DJScias
is doing a great job on ruin. I can't believe someone would insult DJ
that's just mean:( no reason for that at all I hope Djs post helps you.

Have a nice day everyone, and don't forget to vote.

[adubyu]

If one more person claims "most of ruin" has this bug i think my head will explode. RELOGGING CLEARS THIS BUG everyone knows it, and the people abusing it are doing just that, ABUSING IT. If you have any respect for DJ and his hard work, or this realm, DO NOT EXPLOIT THIS BUG.

It takes 5 minutes to get the bug, 30 seconds to remove it, when someone has it, and kills someone in PVP, they know what they are doing.. no one is playing going.. ooh my multi shot does 2398245982731 damage im sure thats normal to be able to one shot everyone my level il just keep playing like this, and even if they do, the next time they log in its gone, and they have to make the effort to go get it again.

I speak for everyone when i say the community doesnt need the type of people that would exploit this bug, they are even comming in from other servers just to try and cause distress here on Ruin. It ruins the gameplay, not to mention DCs, or Lag caused from exploiting bugs. I say ban away. PLEASE

All a gm would have to do is sit in game for a while, ban when its blately abused right infront of them, make a few examples out of people, and things will calm down. This "we are working on a fix and wont ban" approach would be fine if it wasnt basically giving everyone a golden ticket to exploit this even worse then before

-- Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:57 pm --

And as far as eternal not caring about Ruin, Its extreamly obvious DJ cares very much for this realm. And puts ALOT of time into it. Helpers and GMs on the other hand are few and far inbetween.. in the last 2 weeks we have one gm post(none if it wasnt for posts today) and one helper post in issue tracker from a few days ago.. I remember when gms were constantly online in game helping, and Helpers were always ontop of issue tracker reporting things to the confirmed section and cleaning up repeat posts... so it does seem sort of like we have been forgotton, or atleast definatly on the bottom of the priotity list... I remember when we had gms that ran events for us here too, sure they wernt much of an event(spawned boss's, hide-n-seek).. but it was something =]

And im sorry alot of this has come to seem directed towards DJ, there has been alot of high tension in the game lately surrounding this bug, and its no reason to take it out on DJ. And i also know and understand that all staff is here on volentary basis, so they really don't deserve to be attacked either... Its hard to voice my opinion without it sounding that way so i apalogize if i do...

[Kerri12]

I say shut Ruin down until things are fixed so people know things are actually being worked on and that Ruin has raids and not bugged classes. No offense but there are a TON of fully working cata free realms out there and this one hasnt really gotten anything majorly fixed since it opened. But if you shut it down people like i said will be like omg maybe they'll work on things rather then having to constantly deal with QQing people when it seems that Ruin isn't doing so hot with people yelling at each other. Just a suggestion.

[Scarletdawn]

Well, I agree with Dj, I have seen him on and ppl just ramsaking him. even when he is not on. It is wrong, and now I don't see Dj on as much and now I know why. I would not want to be on either, and sweety, if you ever need to vent, hook me up a message and i will do the best I can to help. I have 4 kids and they range from 3 months to 17 yrs, not counting all their friends that made this house their second home.
My father, God rest his soul, had a saying. "Help those you can help, teach those you can teach. and prey for those that haven't the patience for neither".
Personally, I would just put them on ignore, but that would not be the fair and honorable thing to do
Take care Dj, I am here to help

[RoseOfSharyn]

If one more person claims "most of ruin" has this bug i think my head will explode. RELOGGING CLEARS THIS BUG everyone knows it, and the people abusing it are doing just that, ABUSING IT. If you have any respect for DJ and his hard work, or this realm, DO NOT EXPLOIT THIS BUG.

It takes 5 minutes to get the bug, 30 seconds to remove it, when someone has it, and kills someone in PVP, they know what they are doing.. no one is playing going.. ooh my multi shot does 2398245982731 damage im sure thats normal to be able to one shot everyone my level il just keep playing like this, and even if they do, the next time they log in its gone, and they have to make the effort to go get it again.

I speak for everyone when i say the community doesnt need the type of people that would exploit this bug, they are even comming in from other servers just to try and cause distress here on Ruin. It ruins the gameplay, not to mention DCs, or Lag caused from exploiting bugs. I say ban away. PLEASE

All a gm would have to do is sit in game for a while, ban when its blately abused right infront of them, make a few examples out of people, and things will calm down. This "we are working on a fix and wont ban" approach would be fine if it wasnt basically giving everyone a golden ticket to exploit this even worse then before

-- Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:57 pm --

And as far as eternal not caring about Ruin, Its extreamly obvious DJ cares very much for this realm. And puts ALOT of time into it. Helpers and GMs on the other hand are few and far inbetween.. in the last 2 weeks we have one gm post(none if it wasnt for posts today) and one helper post in issue tracker from a few days ago.. I remember when gms were constantly online in game helping, and Helpers were always ontop of issue tracker reporting things to the confirmed section and cleaning up repeat posts... so it does seem sort of like we have been forgotton, or atleast definatly on the bottom of the priotity list... I remember when we had gms that ran events for us here too, sure they wernt much of an event(spawned boss's, hide-n-seek).. but it was something =]

And im sorry alot of this has come to seem directed towards DJ, there has been alot of high tension in the game lately surrounding this bug, and its no reason to take it out on DJ. And i also know and understand that all staff is here on volentary basis, so they really don't deserve to be attacked either... Its hard to voice my opinion without it sounding that way so i apalogize if i do...

OMG, thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself. I have the utmost respect for DJ. I know it's gotta be hard dealing with all these issues and dealing with idiots at the same time. BUT, the abusers are getting the green light to do whatever they want right now, and I'm basically considering going to retail or another server. When I'm trying to train my skills or I'm afk filing a claim against an abuser and I come back to the game and I died in the SW mall, that makes me very unhappy. I wasn't marked pvp and I died. It makes the game hard to play when I'm on my own turf and I cannot be safe to alt+tab. I wish nothing but the best for DJ and hope the bug gets fixed soon, and I hope people start having more respect for each other in this game.

[Larke]

I agree with adubyu and think that people should be actively getting banned for using this bug, especially those that you see doing it over and over again all day long. I understand there might not be enough GM's for someone to do this on a regular basis until the bug is completely fixed, but I do feel that it would make some people stop and think twice before using it if they could see that people are getting banned for it and unable to come back and play.

And people also need to realize that even though you think you're doing people (ie: your faction/friends) a favor by purposely bugging so you can stop someone else who is bugging...you're really just making it worse in the long run. Just sayin'. :3

[Scarletdawn]

Geez, enough about the friggin bug and bans, fuck, in every forum on here except a small few all the topics are either about the bug or turn toward the bug topic. STFU about it already

-- Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:28 am --

Geez, enough about the friggin bug and bans, fuck, in every forum on here except a small few all the topics are either about the bug or turn toward the bug topic. STFU about it already

That comment was not meant towards DJ, or any of the staff, plz do not misconstrued it to be about you guys/gals

[GamingCheap]

The way i see it is that you do not have to ban them nor do i want you to ban most of them, all i want is to bring them back down a notch for using it to farm honor (who cares if they used it to get gear, most raids have yet to be scripted and best gear is for donors). So if you could either remove their honor or some other kind of punishment (even though they will be eternally camped) may be even reward the ones who do not use it and trying to prevent it from being used (which may be difficult to tell who).

Otherwise just let us know as soon as it is fixed (because then the game is on).

[undermoon]

So it was an awesome choice to just log back into retail. Sweet



~Cliff

[csimrell]

The server is crashing really bad this morning.. about every 10 minutes. I wonder,, is it because of the bug abusers? hmmm. Does reporting a player on the website for using this constitute banning a player? Of course not! So in essence...most players are getting pissed off because the playing field is not a fair one. Now alot of area's in world are bugged. For instance (Uldum)...there are not many target npc's to kill. Is it true there are no GM's on this server? I am sure others feel the same way I do.... where it is getting to the point that its no "FUN" playing here anymore. Do you ever think that bug abusers could crash the server? I'm sure its possible. Banning the players who are reported by NON-bug abusers would be fair until the bug is fixed. With a few bug abusers in world... word is going to spread to thier friends... so there WILL be more! Thanks!

With all that I said... for god's sake.. do something about it! Please!

[Sasssd]

For 2 hrs now Ruin (cata) server is bugged by something , maybe bug abusers , maybe Eternal-staff are doing something , but i don't think so , because in the start zones there is a new NPC with the skype of some Russian.
Other thing , i have'nt seen a GM on Ruin , only Dev's but no GM's , and it wont be bad if they tell us whats going on!

[csimrell]

Oh.. I heard there haven't been any GM's for 3 months on this server. Only one applicant. No one wants the bullshit involved in being a GM. oh.. a update.. server is crashing after 2 minutes of being online. "Begins to applaud the bug abusers for the start of breaking the server. Thanks a bunch. Here is a cookie.. "tosses a cookie and hit you in the forehead" .

[mogium]

how about you ban them for 2 weeks and wipe the character they were cheating with. Everyone yells about the damage bug and I can see why, I have been a victim of it many times. but lets not forget about the healing bugs as well. They are just as unfair as the other. As for the things that have been happening with the server. I could be wrong but it seems to have been rolled back prior to the last patch. disEnchanting is broken again, as is prospecting, herbs seem to be gone from cata. Grim Batol is empty. Etc Etc.

Remember People this is a game I repeat it is just a game. Enjoy it and Appreciate the people who make it possible for you to play on Ruin